Different Perspectives on Fibro

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OK so with acupuncture and things (chinese medicine) what do they put fibro down as (just curious) I know absolutely nothing about these things so I'd like to know, cos I don't think they put pins in the same area for everything (or do they?) so what's they're take on this as a condition?, thank you 👍🏻😎
 
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I will let someone else explain what cupping is, but I will say I did it once and will never allow it again. The marks it left on my back didn't go completely away for 2 weeks.
 
I will let someone else explain what cupping is, but I will say I did it once and will never allow it again. The marks it left on my back didn't go completely away for 2 weeks.
Cupping is releasing stagnant blood in TCM. Most western doctors hate it because they think it is destroying capillaries and thus leaving a bruise. However some cool information about this: The marks on your back (they look like tentacle marks from an octopus) aren't bruises at all! When researchers have taken samples of the marks and analysed it in a lab they have found it to be old haemoglobin. (ie old red blood cells that haven't been recycled by the body properly) Cupping extracts this old blood thus helping the lymphatic system function with more support again as there is less waste it needs to filter. (This also means not only is cupping not a bruise, it actually helps with bruising! because a bruise is an impediment to the normal movement of blood in some way, broken capillaries being one of these) Search: Cupping is not a bruise and the first two results will give a bit of background on this if interested.

That being said, you don't necessarily want to recirculate blood and treat the lymphatic system directly in the early stages of treatment of fibro, and as such (unless they are a very experienced doctor, I would recommend against it, as it swapping out short term pain relief for long term gain in most cases).
 
OK so with acupuncture and things (chinese medicine) what do they put fibro down as (just curious) I know absolutely nothing about these things so I'd like to know, cos I don't think they put pins in the same area for everything (or do they?) so what's they're take on this as a condition?, thank you 👍🏻😎
If you search fibromyalgia TCM, you will find some good results. However adapted for the modern context it would still fall in this framework but more so be categorised as damp disease.
 
OK, cool, I'll have a look 👍🏻
 
I did it once and will never allow it again. The marks it left on my back didn't go completely away for 2 weeks.
First time I got it done 1-2x by young women at a pain doctor's, it made my very skin very itchy, no help.
2nd time the Chinese acupuncturist did it on my back the first 5x after having needled me top to toe on my front. Then she decided to needle left and right of my spine instead of cupping in the 2nd part of each session, and that's what made the positive difference for my energy. Her cupping didn't itch - the marks were strong, but I didn't pay any attention to them as they weren't seeming to do any harm.
I don't think they put pins in the same area for everything (or do they?)
Not sure if with "everything" you mean all kinds of fibro or if you're suggesting that if it's fibro they'll put it all in the same area, but that reminds me:
My Western acupunctures were with about 24 needles, sometimes back and front. The 2nd doc was someone who'd worked out with someone else a pattern specifically for fibro, for at least rough orientation. That was back and front and so that I had to sit, in a cold room with an insufficient heater in front of me - pure hell. Then I wanted to go to an acupuncturist trained in China, and she said that'd be wrong, she'd do only very few needles. So that's what I expected when I went to the Chinese acupuncturist. Instead she first put 22-24 needles in my front, then cupped, later: again 24 crown to toes in my front (sometimes forehead; hand, often one more than the other, often 2 stomach area, around knees, around ankles, around toes, usually varying, then another 22 left and right of my spine at certain vertebrae she counted out). Sometimes she asked how I was before doing them, but not always, which was unexpected/strange, occasionally she re-checked my "5 pulses" and my tongue.
Cupping extracts this old blood thus helping the lymphatic system function with more support again as there is less waste it needs to filter.
That being said, you don't necessarily want to recirculate blood and treat the lymphatic system directly in the early stages of treatment of fibro, and as such (unless they are a very experienced doctor, I would recommend against it,
Ah, good to know. It extracts it from where, to where? What decomposes it from there if not the lymphatic system too? Couldn't that removal process be tougher on some systems than letting it be removed directly from the blood vessels?
as it swapping out short term pain relief for long term gain in most cases).
Didn't get that.... ;-) Praps that cupping would be long term gain, whilst fibro newbies'd rather have short term pain relief rather than additional pain?
I never mind additional short term pain for long term relief, that's my daily bread (or is that only a German phrase?... :D ). And I've never been interested in short term pain relief, altho I spose it might help reduce the pain memory effect, if there is/were one, which in my case I very much doubt.
 
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First time I got it done 1-2x by young women at a pain doctor's, it made my very skin very itchy, no help.
2nd time the Chinese acupuncturist did it on my back the first 5x after having needled me top to toe on my front. Then she decided to needle left and right of my spine instead of cupping in the 2nd part of each session, and that's what made the positive difference for my energy. Her cupping didn't itch - the marks were strong, but I didn't pay any attention to them as they weren't seeming to do any harm.

Not sure if with "everything" you mean all kinds of fibro or if you're suggesting that if it's fibro they'll put it all in the same area, but that reminds me:
My Western acupunctures were with about 24 needles, sometimes back and front. The 2nd doc was someone who'd worked out with someone else a pattern specifically for fibro, for at least rough orientation. That was back and front and so that I had to sit, in a cold room with an insufficient heater in front of me - pure hell. Then I wanted to go to an acupuncturist trained in China, and she said that'd be wrong, she'd do only very few needles. So that's what I expected when I went to the Chinese acupuncturist. Instead she first put 22-24 needles in my front, then cupped, later: again 24 crown to toes in my front (sometimes forehead; hand, often one more than the other, often 2 stomach area, around knees, around ankles, around toes, usually varying, then another 22 left and right of my spine at certain vertebrae she counted out). Sometimes she asked how I was before doing them, but not always, which was unexpected/strange, occasionally she re-checked my "5 pulses" and my tongue.

Ah, good to know. It extracts it from where, to where? What decomposes it from there if not the lymphatic system too? Couldn't that removal process be tougher on some systems than letting it be removed directly from the blood vessels?

Didn't get that.... ;-) Praps that cupping would be long term gain, whilst fibro newbies'd rather have short term pain relief rather than additional pain?
I never mind additional short term pain for long term relief, that's my daily bread (or is that only a German phrase?... :D ). And I've never been interested in short term pain relief, altho I spose it might help reduce the pain memory effect, if there is/were one, which in my case I very much doubt.
Literally sucks it out 🙂 Yes, it has to be done correctly by someone trained. Generally speaking though if it gets rid of unrecycled blood it will have a net positive effect on the bigger system.

Bread is delicious 😋
 
Literally sucks it out 🙂
Hmm, but normal cupping doesn't extract any blood from the body, the unrecycled blood stays in the skin area as marks, so its removal still has to take place, doesn't it, just with other means than before?

(According to RafflesHospital on youtube it also helps directly with pain, muscles and fascia and removes "dampness", "wind", "heat" and "cold", sort of TCM "condition" names. Is that correct too?)

My acupuncturist used a bit of glide cupping (I think), but mainly stationary, no flash cupping.
My marks not being so pronounced seems to have meant healthy to moderate "stagnation".
Bread is delicious 😋
Hmm... I spose I could call my "daily bread" of going thru discomfort to reduce pain "delicious" too :cool:.
As far as real bread is concerned: only 100% wholemeal bread for without sourdough for me, any other sort spikes my stomach acid. And one certain type of gluten free (just in case) works well and even tastes good.

I'd been wondering if bread's OK with the TCM diet my practitioner wants me to try, but there she just wrote no roasted grains.
 
A note about moderation queues: if your post goes into that queue, it will appear within 24 hours, because I or the other moderator will see it and approve it. But if you want it to appear right away, then yes boggle the word that will get you into that queue.

and what about when you dont know what it is that sent a post to moderation?
have had that happen a couple of times, and I have no idea what caused it.
 
and what about when you dont know what it is that sent a post to moderation?
have had that happen a couple of times, and I have no idea what caused it.
If you don't know why, ask me and I may be able to tell you.
Sometimes someone comes on the forum to advertise something and won't go away. As a result we sometimes have to tag certain words to avoid that happening again.
Also, the system, like anything else, is not perfect and occasionally sends something to moderation that I don't know why it's there either.
 
@cookiebaker (for some strange reason) the search engine boogle (starting with a g) gets you in forum queue too ) other things have put me in there too (things I couldn't understand either) but that's DEFINITELY one 👍🏻
 
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